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2018 First Impressions
« on: December 09, 2017, 02:28:32 AM »
As a long term DC 2D amateur user I have occasionally upgraded DC but held off recently as it was becoming very hard to use with a high res screen, I was waiting for this to be tackled. DC is not alone with this, Photoshop and even Excel are almost unusable in certain circumstances. Release of DC 2018 promised a solution so I downloaded a trial copy with anticipation. I was a little disappointed, maybe some of this is due to my lack of knowledge of some of the settings in DC but before the time trial finished I made some notes of my impressions using the 'Getting Started' file as a test script. I ran out of time to complete the file before the trial expired.

I would welcome comments and workarounds, then I might upgrade to this version.

Button controls 'in' scrollbars still too small.
Line drawing cursor too small/feint.
Coordinate info with drawing cursor too small
Text corruption in for example, Options>Options>File Locations. (DC2018-1.jpg)
Info box opens too narrow and needs resizing.
F8 Shaded Settings popup LHS missing. (DC2018-2.jpg)

And in the 'Getting Started' file itself
P15 11. Selection Edit NOT Select Edit
P16 20. the NOT hte

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Peter

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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 07:01:42 AM »
This being the first version of these new controls, I can see how some items got missed.

I can confirm your first three list items, which I expect might be "work in progress", some may get picked up if/when they come up with the customary .1 release..

Using windows 10, I cannot so far reproduce your item 4 text corruption and item 6 misplaced window, what combination of windows version and menu text resizing options are you using?

In windows 10 it does say you must log out and log back in to make the windows resizing efforts work properly, and I have found this to help in some cases.

Item 5 has been  mentioned by a few users but the resizing usually sticks and seems to be related to the size and shape you might want if you use the "panes" option, which now works much better than it used to.

Many of us who have stuck with DC over the years through its various growing pains consider ourselves lucky to have help files or manual at all, never mind perfect spelling and grammar.   :)
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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2017, 10:50:56 AM »
Thanks for your reply.
I am using Win 10 with Win 10's recommended scaling, 250% and Resolution, 3840 x 2160. I don't remember the DC Icon scaling value and the trial has now expired. I have tried extending it but even running as Administrator it just returns the Extend/Buy pop up. However the main Icon scaling did work well over several runs.
Item 5. I haven't used panes. I have found it sticks sometimes, but never found it consistent.
Typos and grammar errors will always occur but, they can be corrected if you know about them, that was the only reason for mentioning it. :D

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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2017, 01:04:24 PM »

pnb,
can't you just reduce the display resolution down to something that works, or is it a must that you work at that res?


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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2017, 02:11:40 AM »
Lar,
I guess I could, and I could have done for Photoshop as well but would they be the same? And what would it do to all the other programs?
I know this is not an easy fix, certainly beyond me, but high res screens have around for a while and I would hoped developers would have sorted this by now. Perhaps a harsh criticism for the smaller organisations but usability is a key factor for CAD programs. I gave up with Photoshop proper when I found Elements had solved the res problem and could do most of what I wanted to do.

As said in my first post I have used DC for a long time and I am reluctant to 'jump ship' to another program and go through the learning process again (I am to old!). That is why I have held on for this release.

Please read my comments as genuine user feedback, I am not trying to rubbish the program or its developers.

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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2017, 11:21:56 AM »
I also have a high res screen with the same problems you describe.  I didn't get much response from this forum so I have contacted the DesignCAD support section with screen shots of the display issues I have found.

They say they will respond in about 24 hours.

By the way, reducing the resolution doesn't solve the problem in 2018.  It did help in 2016, but 2018 is just broke.

Wil

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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2017, 11:58:27 AM »
Wil, your last post in the other thread was

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Thanks!  I got it to work.

The Layer Window was also a mess.  I finally got it work after some effort.  I hope there will be no more surprises.

Wil

What further help were you looking for?
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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2017, 03:59:31 PM »
Well, new problems keep coming up again and again.

Once you resize the icons so you can use them the main tool box has many less options, Text, for example.

The top items of the Info Box can't be made visible.

Most of the options of all the selection windows are so small that they can't be read or used.

The text when entering a name of a layer is so small that it can't be read.  It does return to normal size after accepting the entry.

After making the icons in the main tool box large enough to actually use, many items are left off of it - Text, and Trim, etc.

The problems just keep going on and on.  I don't know how many problems there are because I just encounter them as they appear, and that is often.

I really hope this mess can be fixed, but I'm beginning to have my doubts.  There is so much wrong that I'm afraid that another major upgrade is the only hope.  Maybe high resolution displays becomes the end of the road for DesignCAD - I hope not!

Wil

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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2017, 05:27:15 PM »

This may be a wild idea but what about using another not-so-hi-res screen along with the high res one (even if it's the laptop screen - if using one). In the Display Setup choose the 'Extend' option, make the lower res the main screen and do one of the methods described below:

method a] Start dcad and drag its window to the hi res screen, float all your toolboxes on the lower res screen. Now you will be drawing on the hi res screen but whenever you start a command that has a dialog it will open on the main screen, the lower res one, where you will be able to read the, hopefully... as well as the toolboxes and all other dialogs. You can even float the menu by clicking on the 3 dots on the left side and dragging it away, and even resize it by dragging the edges.

method b] Extend dcad across both screens but put all the tool boxes on the lower res (and main) screen, docked or floating. and arrange all the windows on the high res screen. All dialogs will open on the lower res screen. One con here is maximizing any drawing window will stretch it across both screens.

Sorry I can't try these methods myself because I don't have a hi res screen. I do know that dcad's dialogs open on the 'main' screen, because that's what happened when I tried using two screens to work and watch a movie with a player that opens up full on the main screen only. I wouldn't even use these methods myself because I won't like the constant head turning every time I do a command.



Lar
ps, if these ideas don't work you can re-dock the floating tool boxes by double clicking on their title bars.
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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2017, 05:43:19 PM »
Thanks!  But I don't have another display - just high res.  I hope DesigCAN can be fixed for high res, but I'm not hopefully.

I'll wait for DesignCAD to respond, but I'm not hopeful.  If it can't be fixed, it's going to be hell to learn a new system that can be normal with high res screens.

Wil

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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 06:07:57 PM »
And I take it you cannot use the windows percentage resizing to make everything proportionally larger??

In any case, please do let us know if you get any further response from anybody.

I wonder if you two are the only ones who upgraded to 2018 for this purpose?  If anyone is having a better experience, I would be interested to hear from you as well.
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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2017, 08:30:44 PM »
Hi Wil,

A few questions:

1) You say you are running at 3640x2160 -- ok, but what is the physical size of the screen?
2) What icon size are you using in DesignCAD?
3) What is the percentage you have Windows set up for in the 'Change the size of text, icons, and other items' field in Display Settings?
4) Can you post a screenshot of DesignCAD showing the docked and pinned-open Info Box that illustrates the missing Same As icon? (You can use the PrtScrn button to save a screenshot to the clipboard; then open MSPaint and paste it in, then save the image file and attach to your reply).
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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2017, 01:55:12 PM »
Thank you DrollTroll for your interest.  Here are the answers to your questions:

Physical screen size: 13.5 x 7.5

1.   64 x 64

2.   350

3.   Attached:

Also read this from Technical Support”
” I am really sorry for such a delay your query was in process. DesignCAD 2018 do not support the 4K screens (3840 x 2160). “

Do you know if DesignCAD intends to support 4K screens?

Thanks so much!
Wil



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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2017, 12:44:37 PM »
I just tried the free trial of TurboCAD.  It has the same problem with high 4K screens as DesignCAD.  They assigned a special tech to help me with the trial.  He responded, admitting the problem and said that they are working on it and hope to get it solved in the near future.

DesignCAD hasn't offered any such hope.

The only way to get 2018 DesignCAD to work at all is to set resolution to 1920 x 1080 and icons to 24 x 24.  Any other setting will make the icons to small to use or remove items from the tool box and InfoBox.

A really bad scene.

Wil


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Re: 2018 First Impressions
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 01:49:32 PM »
Not an ideal solution, but a small step.
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